Thank God the plane didn't crash! (Or, I'm back now)

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Welcome back!

I am sooo jealous. I haven't been back to Greece in ages.My son is there now and he phoned us last week to see if he could extend his trip another ten days, so he could go to Rhodes and Mykonos with some friends from the US. Gaah! I'm jealous of my own flesh-and-blood, too! ; )

Oh- did I said, "Welcome back?"

It hadn't been ridiculously long in my case, only about two years, but that was quite enough! It was so different going back with Ash, introducing him to family... Also seeing places I'd never seen before and even doing touristy things in Athens I'd never had the chance to do, although Ash had seen them before on one brief trip and was made to see them again! Last time he went in the midst of the pre-Olympic scrum, with friends who didn't know the city and for just three days, so he much preferred it this time. I'm glad - I think I would have been personally miffed if he hadn't liked it. He took an instant dislike to Turkey, though... which made me laugh - I thought I was supposed to be the one who didn't like it if stereotypes hold!
I haven't been to Turkey. I met wonderful Turkish people when I worked in Greece, and was first hand witness to Greek and Turkish 'earthquake solidarity.' Nonetheless, I just have a serious problem with their human rights record. As I am beginning to have with the human rights record of my own country....(sigh)
I'm not sure there's any country that can claim an unblemished record, even if only the last 20 years, say, is taken into account. But Turkey's is concerning.

During the Germany - Turkey Euro 2008 semi, the Greeks were supporting Germany. In vain did I point out that Germany has occupied Greece far more recently and brutally (oh, and by the way, it's a game of football, not a piece of politico-historical commentary); the only response I got was "400 years!!". *sigh*
I know what you mean. The perspective of sports as politics and politics as sports is disturbing to say the least. If we really examine it, it's at the root of much of our society's troubles. Gosh- I'm sorry about the plane ride. One thing you can say is that those kids kept your mind a bit off your anxiety. I can speak for myself and tell you plane anxiety for me, lessened as I got older and even as I travelled more often. On the other hand, I'm all for people discarding unnecessary guilt.
Yeah - most of my problems seem to be related to an excess of anxiety and usually guilt-driven... intellectually, I'm all for ditching it. If only my emotions would listen. I think the sports - politics perspective falls into the same slot as the religious prejudice. It's so learned that it's become instinctive and is at the core of everything wrong in the way we treat each other.

On Guilt: it's not that easy to get rid of. I know it's the way we were raised, coupled by the fact that we are women, who are already prone to putting others' feelings first. I don't know how it was in your case, but most of the time parents do not mean to instill this deep-rooted fear of offending others, doing or saying the wrong thing, incessant worry about what one said, did, did not say, did not do, etc. etc. They're just trying to raise children who know right from wrong and who will be somewhat obedient in a healthy way, not a submissive way. Somehow, they 'overdose' us on this and what should be a virtue becomes a burden.

You know the biggest regret I have in my life? All the time wasted, all the joys lost, because I fretted through it about what others would think. Alright, mine was an extreme case, because I come from a highly dysfunctional family, so their 'Italian-ness' was exacerbated by that. But I didn't go to the college I wanted to go to because I didn't want to worry my mother, or lose her love, I stayed in a miserable relationship because I obsessed about what people would think if I got divorced, etc. etc. Decades of life frittered away only to discover that

A) the people who will think badly, WILL think badly, even if you exemplify perfection and

B) those whose love one is trying to 'buy' through certain behaviours, certain sacrifices, are never satisfied. They never give you that love that you hope for, because their brand of love is self-serving and is the only kind they know. It comes with harsh conditions.

I could go on and on about this and give you so many examples of precious time spent obsessing, but it's hard to type so much. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) you're in love with a man who understands all this because he comes from the same type of upbringing. That means he will understand it and not lose patience with it, but it can also be detrimental because there is no one in your direct circle to point out to you when you're over-worrying, or show you another way. That means it will take you that many more years to learn it. The first time I let myself do what I wanted even though I worried about it, I was already forty years old. But with my new husband of seven years, who wasn't raised this way, he calmly points out the irrationality of some of my worries. He's not dismissive of them or cold, he's just logical. I don't say this means you should dump your fiance, but what it means is that you are going to have work harder at ridding yourself of a habit that does no one any good, especially you.

That's my unsolicited advice, my friend, one worrywart to another. ; )

Hey, it's bloody good unsolicited advice (especially as in my experience it's directly on the money). The crucial difference between 'im and me is that he's a couple of steps further down the road to casting off the shackles (started earlier? different circumstances? cos he's 5 years older? who knows... in fact, who cares? Good for him). So when I pull myself to shreds worrying about everyone else's feelings, he'll understand but he will call me on it, gently but firmly.

Earlier I asked him if there was anything he'd change about me. No, he said.
.... carries on half-posted comment.

When I insisted there must be SOMEthing, he said "well, for your own sake you could get rid of The Guilt".

That should teach me everything I need to know, really.
That's really a lovely testiment to the way he feels about you. It's darling. Hey- I didn't know you'd be posting on Sunday. I was planning on sending a private message tomorrow, but I'll send it now, if that's alright.

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